Dianne and Bill on their travels.

Teaching Traveling: Welcome to Dianne and Bill, adventurous and intellectual authors of two guidebooks on Rome, Italy! Tell us a bit about your background.

Dianne & Bill: We are a long-married couple, from Seattle and Chicago respectively, who met at Stanford-in-Florence. We’re retired from being a) a tax lawyer and managing partner of Buffalo’s largest law firm (Dianne), and b) an award-winning historian (Bill – last solo book – Patty’s Got a Gun – on Patty Hearst). Pieces of our travel: We went to China in 1979 before it was open to U.S. tourists (through Canada), to Cuba in 1982 just before President Reagan cancelled US tourists (with The Guardian), and into the Eastern Bloc countries on our own as the Iron Curtain was falling – heard Vaclac Havel in Bratislava (now Slovakia) in November 1989; to Romania with our son (then in the Peace Corps) and now daughter-in-law.

The cover of the couple's most recent guidebook on Rome.

The cover of the couple’s most recent guidebook on Rome.

TT: Love it! Tell us more about your travels.

D & B: We now spend two to three months per year in Rome, which has led to our two alternative guidebooks to Rome: 2009 – Rome the Second Time: 15 Itineraries That Don’t Go to the Coliseum (in eBook in 2010), and just-published, eBook: Modern Rome: 4 Great Walks for the Curious Traveler (both Curious Traveler Press).

TT: How did you start traveling to Rome?

D & B: We prefaced Rome with several trips to Italy – including the Stanford-in-Italy semesters; 6 months in 1989 in Bologna – when we just took our kids (then 18 and 9) and lived there without jobs or contacts for 6 months – now THAT was an experience; and Bill’s teaching Fulbright Professor at the University of Rome (La Sapienza) in 1993 – that hooked us on Rome.

TT: How did you find the money to fund this travel?

D & B: Stanford: Mom and Dad; Bologna: savings (the biggest cost – giving up our jobs for 6 months); Rome: the Fulbright (a very inadequate stipend); and now, retirement savings (believe me, not book royalties).

TT: Tell us one moment from your travels that was particularly funny.

D & B: After the Fulbright, Bill wanted to go to different places and Dianne wanted to keep going back to Rome (as Dianne recalls). We compromised: We would go to Rome, but he would get a scooter and we would live in different neighborhoods (always outside the historic center) each time. We bought a scooter from one of Bill’s historian colleagues in the U.S. The scooter was in Bologna – 250 miles from Rome. We picked it up in Bologna; Bill drove it around the block; I got on back, and we took off over one of the curviest and scariest roads in Italy – La Futa – between Bologna and Florence. It took us four days, my shoulders were sore from being tense; Bill was exhausted from all the driving, but we made it to Rome. And we’ve been traveling via scooter ever since.

A bustling Rome market.

A bustling Rome market.

TT: Awesome! How have your travels impacted you as a teacher, and in your current career?

D & B: We “teach” through our alternative guidebooks. We get people off the beaten track in Rome and into areas tourists don’t even think about. We walk and walk and walk; and research and research and research. Our blog posts do “deep dives” into aspects of Rome few think about. We bring a whole new context to travel in Rome (we think).

Adventurous hiking in Europe.

Adventurous hiking in Europe.

TT: Vividly put. How have your travels impacted you as a person?

Bill: They have given me an appreciation of the incredibility complexity and depth of the human experience; the layers of Rome, the layers of human history; all Western civilization revealed, sharpened and clarified.

Dianne: They’ve made me long for more! And more off the beaten track. I don’t want to be a tourist any more. I want to LIVE in a place.

Both: They have given us a sense – and even the freedom to – have more than one home – in all senses of that word. When in Los Angeles, we read the LA Times, when in Rome, we read La Repubblica, when in Buffalo, we read the Buffalo News. And always, of course, the NY Times. We always look for locals – our local coffee bar, our local wine bar, our local music place.

TT: What advice do you have for other teachers who are dreaming of travel, or travelers dreaming of teaching?

D & B: Of course, read our blog, “Rome the Second Time!” Most of all – just do it! Get out of the routine, and try other places and people Check out the local papers or flyers for what’s going on and just go. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes, to have experiences that aren’t so great… because the great ones will win out every time.

TT: Thanks so much! Readers, what questions or comments do you have?

A hidden walk of Rome that you can learn more about in Dianne and Bill's book!

A hidden walk of Rome that you can learn more about in Dianne and Bill’s book!

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Lillie started TeachingTraveling.com in 2010 to share the infinite ways to combine education and world exploration. Lillie has been a Boston teacher since 2003, and chronicles her own travels at AroundTheWorldL.com.

10 Comments

  1. Jeremy Radcliffe December 30, 2013 at 6:06 am

    Planning on a trip to Rome this spring so just bought your book for my kindle!
    Is it available in paperback format?

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    1. Hi Jeremy – your trip sounds great. And thanks for getting the book! Our first book, Rome the Second Time: 15 Itineraries That Don’t Go to the Coliseum, is available in paperback. We are now planning to have Modern Rome: 4 Great Walks for the Curious Traveler available in paperback, but likely it will be a few more weeks before it is available. I will post a comment here when it is. Buon viaggio! Dianne and Bill

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  2. I have your book and I cannot figure out where that intriguing photo was taken, the one with the milestone in the foreground. Course the book is in Milwaukee. It was fun to read about how you got started. We just returned from a gallery hoping evening in Hong Kong, and what was most interesting was the Italian influence on the Chinese artists. One situates his work work in Montepulciano d’Abruzzo http://www.ora-ora.com/

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    1. Hi Beth – trying to figure out which picture in which book… in the Rome the Second Time book or the new one, Modern Rome? can you remember any more details about the milestone or the rest of the photo?
      And Hu’s artwork is fascinating… I think I may have seen a piece or two somewhere in our travels… Of course, I like the picture that shows a banner with DeChirico’s name in the back too…
      and love to think of you gallery hopping in Hong Kong! – any vernissages?

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      1. Hi, Diane, It’s the photo above on this webpage where I am writing, with the caption underneath: “A hidden walk of Rome that you can learn more about in Dianne and Bill’s book!”

        Maybe it isn’t a milestone in the foreground, but it is at the top of some stairs.

        Glen and I went to several gallery openings this Art Gallery Week and had a blast. Got invited to the closing party that takes place this evening!

        Hope all is well!

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        1. ah, got it… it’s not a milestone. i think it’s to prevent vehicles from mistakenly (or not) going down the stairway. the stairway is off via garibaldi in trastevere, below the church of san pietro in montorio. it’s part of walk 4 of the new book – a stairways walk in trastevere. buon gallery hopping! dianne

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          1. Ok. Yes, we took that walk!! Thanks!

          2. Hi Beth – this is actually a new walk in the new book – focused more on the south (west?) side of the Gianicolo… so you can take it the next time! baci da Buffalo, Dianne

  3. Rome, would love to visit it one day! ~> Loved your post today, very interesting read 🙂

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  4. Thanks, Lillie – love your Web site and so thrilled to be a part of it. Ciao da LA (at the moment). Dianne & Bill

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